From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Bruce Garrett)
Subject: Re: Mormon Query
Date: 30 Nov 1995 22:30:53 -0500
email@example.com (Misha MCM) writes...
M> The info I have comes from the author Orson Scott Card, who is
M> well-versed in this topic.
I think the correct phrase here is, "well entrenched."
M> He has no problem discussing the matter with homosexuals, and does not
M> believe it is wrong for non-Mormons to be practicing homosexuals, but
M> says that Mormonism considers homosexuality a sin on a par with adultery
M> and someone who is a practicing homosexual and doesn't consider it wrong
M> cannot be a Mormon.
Recommend you try and get ahold of a copy of his anti-Gay bilefest,
""The Hypocrites of Homosexuality" as it originally appeared in the
Sunstone magazine issue February 1990. If you like screaming forehead
throbbing anti-Gay hate, that article of Card's is a real treat. I'd post
the whole thing, but I hear he's been waving around threats of legal
action since it started flying around Usenet some time ago. But I think I
can get away with a small quote or two, if you'd like a wee a taste of
it. Just keep your mouthwash handy...
"When I was an undergraduate theatre student, I was aware, and
not happily so, how pervasive was the reach of the underculture of
homosexuality among my friends and acquaintances. After a while I
stopped being shocked to discover that someone I had known well, or
whose talent I admired, was either moving into or already a part of the
not-so-clandestine network of gay relationships. I learned that being
homosexual does not destroy a person's talent or deny those aspects of
their character that I had already come to love and admire. I did
learn that for most of them their highest allegiance was to their
membership in the community that gave them access to sex."
"The argument by the hypocrites of homosexuality that homosexual
tendencies are gentically ingrained in some individuals is almost
laughably irrelevant. We are all genetically predisposed toward some
sin or another..."
"Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be
indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught
violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message
that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual
behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens
within that society."
"...if we allow ourselves to be intimidated by our fear of the world's
censure into silence in the face of attempts by homosexuals to make
their sin acceptable under the laws of the polity, then we have
abandoned our role as teachers of righteousness."
There is boatloads more of this where it came from.
This isn't a case of a man simply upholding his own personal
religious principals. Clearly this man hates homosexual people. Deeply.
When you see words like this, there is no mistaking them for what they mean
about the person saying them. Note the insistance that the highest
principal for a homosexual to uphold is "access to sex." Never mind that we
might actually love the ones we take into our arms. The presumption that
homosexuality is only about sex, not love, is a cornerstone of anti-Gay
Note the cynical regard of the law as more a weapon against
homosexual people, then to punish criminal behavior. Anti Gay statues in
his reckoning are Specifically there to persecute, not to imprison. "The
goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to
discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first
place..." Thus according to Card, the laws exist to make us outcasts, and
to keep us from ever being able to form decent and stable households of our
If he really believed that our "highest allegiance" is to a community
that gives us "access to sex", then the question of our being allowed to
make a decent place for ourselves in this society wouldn't arise; we just
would not, because we could not. By stating flatly that the laws are not
there so much to punish us, as to keep us from ever becoming "acceptable,
equal citizens" within society, we see that his fear is the same as any
other gutter crawling bigot's ever was: that once the persecution ends,
people might begin to recognize us as their neighbors, rather then see us
Whether you can be a Mormon and a practicing homosexual in good
conscience is not for me to say; I am not a Mormon. It is equally
farfetched to believe that it is for the likes of Card to say either; he
has no conscience.
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